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and I wear them until they are completely worn out. Typically I'm doing like painting or working on my car or whatever, get down on my knees a lot and the knees wear out. So I've got two pairs. The knees have been just like totally worn out and I said, okay fine fine fine. Let me look at what else I got and I found I got some other work pants that are not completely worn out through the knees. So I go, okay, I can sacrifice the old ones, throw them out whatever. So last week I took one pair and I turned them into a pair of shorts which I did a great job. So I got nice blue jean shorts now and I took the bottom part below where the knee was worn and cut those into separate pieces of fabric which I could use to like throw on the ground if I'm going to work on my car or something, something to kneel on or whatever. So I just did that with a second pair of jeans now. The top part's pretty messed up with painting stuff so I'm just going to throw out the top part but I see the bottom part for kneeling, whatever.