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pants and I wear them until they are completely worn out. Typically I'm doing like painting or working on my car or whatever. I get down on my knees a lot and the knees wear out. So I've got two carries. The knees have been just totally worn out and I say okay fine fine fine. Let me look at what else I got. I got some other work pants that are not completely worn out through the knees. So I go okay I can sacrifice the old ones, throw them out whatever. So last week I took one pair and I turned them into a pair of shorts which I did a great job so I got nice regime shorts now. And I took the bottom part below where the knee was worn and I cut those into separate pieces of fabric which I could use to like you know throw on the ground if I'm going to work on my car or something something to kneel on or whatever. So I just did that with a second pair of jeans now. The top part is pretty messed up with paint and stuff so I'm just going to top throw out the top part but I've saved the bottom part for kneeling whatever.