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K and 4, QBC, I think you said me, Russell, sorry I got this, I got this sausage making noise here in the background, she was running it out. And it sounds like Dale's got a new ride, that sounds good, there you have bigger, more powerful, you'll get used to it, be able to go places on that one, maybe that couldn't go on the other ones, but you do have to be careful with understanding where you're when I first got my 450 it's a little bigger than the 250 that we had before, and it's wider and like you said heavier and things like that, but they stick pretty good even going uphill, it's if you just lean forward on it, I found out it, it holds the weight down, you know, even though it seems like it's higher and heavier, the weight may be down toward the bottom and the bigger wheels kind of, they do a good job, I've had mine in some pretty steep places.