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the time to put it up. Those are the people you need to capture and how do you do that? You do it by having vibrant leaders like yourself. Clubs with vibrant leaders do well and you do well. The Mike and Keith Club over the years has done well. They've always had vibrant leaders and I think that's one of the key secrets. Let me break one more time. I don't want to take up everybody's time. If you want to get the young people into Ham Radio, the first off you got to introduce them to something like FT-8 and a grid tracker, something that's put on a computer screen that has lots of eye candy. A couple years ago, QSD Magazine had a thing about how they had a simulated ham radio thing where I think it was