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I know somebody like Judson, no he had a club, so I don't know personally, I know someone that actually knows him. Okay, well, yeah, his license is expired, so he should not be connecting to any systems with his node. That's my understanding. Oh, I wonder how well, okay. Let me see if you can touch with this guy Rick, let him know that that's the case here. All right, that would be great, I'd appreciate it. All right, have a good evening, KI7R and you. Thank you, and I will get to the right person, care for that full left.