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open Hamclaw back end anyway for his stuff anyway wasn't it or I'd like to clean the overlay again. Yeah I think as it originally came out he just pre-installed a link to the Hamclaw project which Hamclaw project was you know is and was a open source project and so he just you know sold a product that had Hamclaw pre-installed on it and then of course when the originator of Hamclaw passed earlier this year then there was no longer a back end to serve any of our Hamclaw devices and then suddenly many people in the amateur radio community jumped in and there became several different sources for Hamclaw data and so you know kind of fragmented the users but