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I know that if I find one that works, like right now I've been able to, the ones I've been programming the most because I do program a lot of these things for Daniel, KL7WM's classes. I'm using a lot of the UV-17s and those little tiny ones. I've programmed a bunch of those. And the cable that I've been using the most is a CH340 and I've used that on a PC, Windows 11 and an Intel Mac. So anyway, KG7ODB. Okay, sounds like the FCDI cable is the one that you recommend is probably the best compatibility. So again, yeah, you can go on the old Internet there and find out who's got that cable. I'm sure.