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I work for a company called DTI Diamond Technology Innovation and it's in West Olympia and we make water jet novels and components. Okay, very good. Well, hopefully you enjoy that work. So how long have you been a ham radio operator? Well, we're going on 20 years now. So this year I got my VE so I've been doing a lot of testing and that's been a lot of fun giving back that way, just doing a lot of, you know, VE work and it's fun working with New Ham and such. Okay, yeah, I understand. I did some VE stuff many, many years ago, not actively participating in that part of the hobby right now.