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Well yeah, I you know I experienced some of that older technology back in the 70s actually and yeah and then got away from the hobby for many many years amorrhagulandist astronomy both and so yes I have experienced something called reciprocity failure manual guiding hyperized oh man we get the best we could was what we have to look what we have to work with today seriously and you know I can sit there with a fully computerized robotic telescope it's just it's more fun I think it's just more fun the way we do it now you know kind of inspiring to watch the people at JPL and so forth you know they have their science experiment on Mars well okay I couldn't get mine to Mars so backyard as far as I could go