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I'm not sure what the answer to that is. People are getting, I think as a hobby I think too, we're getting to, there's so many completely unique, different non-overlapping places for people to go that there are more hams than there have ever been, but the bands are dead, what is that? I've got some theories about that, but yeah, I probably shouldn't go too far with that, but anyway, Mr. I mean, yeah, I love hearing that, and we just need to put a spark in this stuff, somehow, because they're good nets. And by the way, we were wondering what happened to Dave, Dave just popped up and he ain't one of those, so couldn't hear him license today.