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doing is I end up loading the channels onto the radio with Chirp. And then I load up the Kenwood software, read the channels off the radio with the Kenwood software and use it to manage memory banks and things like that. I have also heard good things about certain RT systems software, but I have only ever used the one that I have from 2006. And I remember it being, let's just say, it was very reliable, but I don't remember the user interface being as good as Chirp. So yeah, I think it's generally radio programming software is well known to be very bad user experience. Chirp is pretty good. But yeah, like I said, the Kenwood software I have from my Kenwood mobile radio is very good except importing and exporting information.