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Jim down there on Fox Island. I'm trying to remember his call. He did a presentation on, he did a couple presentations. He did one on antenna buildings. And he did one on, on week signal and week signal two meter side band and all that stuff. And I was pretty much hooked after that. That really got me into it. I had a Chris Craft 11 element on two meters and that sort of thing. So it was super fun. And two little 10 watt radios, icons, I think they were both icons. And that's how I got started.