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and so probably by year 15 now the sticks are only about four feet tall but I would eventually if you are a patient or you have multi-generations the next generation is going to enjoy a pretty good um wine out of that vineyard yeah right through that so what are you and you and Kathy a bit up to now we told you about our uh uh four thousand trip and so that was fun seeing our friends and you know we've been going up there for so long it's just like going through you know our favorite place so we've done that and that and that can't be quit or volunteer work it was becoming too intense for her too stressful and you know when you're retired by are you doing something that's stressful so she resigned from that and so she's real happy