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It was so frustrating. I played around with PSK 31 for a while and Nelson and I made one contact between each other on PSK 31 and I went back the next week after we spent two weeks trying to get it set up and we went back a week later and the whole thing didn't work again and it was like I got so frustrated I just ripped it all out then not messing with it, I just threw it in a box. I know the feeling for me PSK 31 is kind of a... oh god, it's for me it's complicated it's just and it is delays and interface just a little bit. I met one of the guys, oh gosh what was this thing? Glad I'm trying to remember it. David I think. Yeah, it's Dave, November 7, Hotel San Go, that guy knows his crap, he's from