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interface, doped into him. And that is where I, one of the reasons that I stuck with ICOM. At most radios nowadays do, but yeah, I just plug a USB cable into the back, download the driver for the each radio, and then I can run all of them that way. So that's why I did that. I tried, I had a West Mountain radio rig blaster when I first started doing this when I had my 756 Pro, and it didn't have that. You know, I couldn't just plug the, and I got so frustrated with that thing. I threw it in a box, I still have it in a box. And yeah, it's, it's just been laying in the box for years, I'm not ever going to get it back out again.