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I'm pavement it is such a bear to handle it and I haven't really realized because I hadn't driven it a whole lot Since I got it like through to winter and stuff. I wasn't riding it Because you know the broken lug and what what not or broken stud And I do have a fourth one put in there now and it's bolted on So I don't think it's the right one, but at least it's still better than just three and there with no fort support You know so the fort support is in there now, so I'm not really worried about it so much But man, I tell you that thing is hard to drive I mean, it's just a matter I think of getting used to it because it is such a large machine But that no power steering man that is brutal trying to steer that thing on pavement. Oh I mean, it's 800 pounds right I mean it's it's not I think my other one was maybe 250 300 pounds something like that. It was very light by comparison And then you know you put 240 pounds of me sitting on it then all of a sudden, you know that bike is