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I was one of them. These two got a little ways to go. This white salmon, it's been a while, so I didn't go that much farther. If you go into Sispeh Center, and through there, and you go, there's a road that goes along. Oh, it's just a low road there in the valley. There's a turn off, it says, Birchmont, and Birchmont, and look out. There's actually a look out there. It might be a little tough getting up there now this time of year, but no, I guess you should be able to drive up there. And you can actually go up into the Birchmont look out. And they've got that kind of fix up there, actually, and they're renting that one out of the forest service. There's actually renting that out, you can stay up there. There's a little wood stove up there, whatnot. There's actually a little shack next to a real gear. It's a pretty crude looking.