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the ground or whatever probably won't be quite as bad. Yeah, you know I remember putting in that ground rod back on Fox Island and I think that was an 8 foot ground rod and that took like a whole afternoon and that was just using a slight hammer and I don't miss having to do that. If I never have to pound in an 8 foot ground rod again I'll probably be happy. I had put in some 4 foot ones out at Field Day that one time and that wasn't too bad but getting them back out on Terri down was not easy but like I mentioned up at Fort Flagler they didn't put in anything like that. So anyway, on doing a bike ride, yeah it seems like a nice day for it and I guess you've got the free time.