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AB6MV, okay, 3 double K, okay Jeff, I just changed the internet Jeff, I know that my Wi-Fi was lagging a bit on my last 3 or 4 transmissions, so I've now gone to 4G, I'm now on 5G, I'm on 5G now, so that might be a bit better. I'm on 5G now instead of using the Wi-Fi from the, from the, from the pump that I was using before. I think it's about, I think each leg of the capacity is about 8 metres, I think, but I'll get a proper understanding Jeff of when I actually see this antenna in view tomorrow morning, so I'll get a far better understanding of this antenna tomorrow morning, so a little bit lighter with details at the moment, but yeah I think it's roughly about 8 metres each and there's 4 wires which come down on a roughly on a 45 degree angle, so that's what makes up the capacity but anyway, I will see it in the flesh tomorrow, so I'll probably, late this afternoon actually, late this afternoon he'll probably show me so, but yeah look at it, it's all good stuff, this will definitely be the most challenging antenna which I'll ever have to build as far as the physical size goes, so anyway I'm pretty keen to do it, just waiting for decent weather and a night time thing um, AB6MB, VK3KK