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all they hear is silence. But we say the four minutes because we think four minutes is a very fair amount and rarely do people go that long. I haven't had a new to anybody in a long time several years but you know just to be fair to everybody because yeah we've had some come on here and talk for four or five six minutes in the seven minutes some snoring on the radio and we just can't have that. We just want to be fair and keep it moving. So we say four and there are some people that have gone over in the last few years and you know I'm not I'm not a nutbuster so it happens all the time and yeah yeah we got to throw the hammer down but it happens on occasion it's all good. So anyway and yeah and thank you Bud for getting a timer and I think anybody else who you know tends to have long check-ins has a timer. I'm using a timer now I'm on two minutes and 27 seconds just so I know it's time to hang up. Anyway good to hear you there Gil and I'll be here in the background. I was showing Las Vegas KK 70 back to you.