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right because it's a lot easier to introduce to a non-ham like you could say to somebody I mean you'd have to teach them but you could say well you could pick up echolent on Alexa or you could pick up echolent on broadcastifier or whatever right it's a lot easier to present I want to know like part of why when I did at one point have a want to get into professional radio yes I did I did want to get into regular radio I just didn't bother once I became a ham I thought that would be better was I always had a dream to reach people's living rooms dryers hair washers com walkmans transistor radios right so you know I'm almost doing it in a way if you teach people the route I kind of prefer that honestly and I do kind of prefer the