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I don't know exactly because I'm not that familiar with the area but from what I understand, he hops a ferry through the Puget Sound to work a municipal job right there in Seattle. All right, so he's right close by. Oh, that's fantastic. All right. Well, no, wait a minute. Is he a ham? Well, I'll just have to inject my opinion here. I think hams are born, not licensed. So he is a ham, but he's not licensed yet. I have told him about this and I think he's getting more and more interested in radio if we can ever get him to get a radio in his hand. I think he would really become super interested. So he's not a licensed ham yet, if that makes sense. I get the part. He's a ham, not licensed.