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Yeah, I found these. They actually pushed pretty easy as long as you keep them looped up and everything. I had one. It was a... it wasn't mine. It actually gave it to my girlfriend Lisa at the time. And she'd used it a few times. It was a... it was nice. It cut the grass better than a rotary one. And unless you're going uphill, they're actually pretty slick. And they don't cost anything to run. That's true. But I just prefer the yellow gas powder, the extra one. The manual was too much labor for me. I passed the age and wanted to do that.