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scratch which is what I'll be doing in my new home. I've got a 5kW 4 to 1 balance with the built-in 1 to 1 isolator in it and a whole bit from PAL star and I've got a thousand feet of wire so I'm gonna build a hundred and sixty meter loop at the new property but the key to the making the horizontal loop work exceptionally well is in the tuning and yeah you do not use it as a non-resident antenna you use it as a resident antenna. The loop for the top end of 75 meters right around the old say 3900 somewhere in there. You will have a dip down below 1.5 to 1 on all the other hand bands somewhere in the band so yeah it's very very efficient that way and you know it is my opinion once again through experience and experimentation that resident antenna.