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I do recall, I think I was taking Alia Kalawa and I was coming up the Halema'u trail and it's just a steep climb. You're at elevation and it's like just rock after rock of steep stair climbing to get up. And on my right, I'm thinking I'm doing a decent pace. You take a bunch of steps and you kind of catch your breath, take a bunch of steps. And there's this, um, you know, Swedish I think that just, they had that tone when they came by and they were all like saying something, humbling something together like a cadence with their walking sticks. And they were moving at a clip, right? They were moving. And the first guy says his hello and with a strong accent, like, not my end, say hi and I step off to the side, let them pass. By the time the 16th person came by, I was kind of rolling my eyes. It was lightning first, but it was just embarrassing that I was just kind of, there's a whole crowd of people that flew all these miles and were just in incredible shape. And I thought I was doing okay until that moment, very humbling. Like a freight train passing you going uphill. Yeah, geez. I thought, you know, here I am in a spot that I kind of took pride in knowing that I got off the route and what I needed to do to get up there and I'm doing okay here. And boy, I just realized that some of the people who hike all the time in areas that are probably very challenging, they get into a different state of mind. And I guess if somebody's setting a pace, there's the head that doesn't stop you to catch your breath. Do you go with the group or do you not? In 2012, me and three other adults took, let's see, we took nine scouts to Philmont Adventure Camp in New Mexico. And we did 87 miles in nine days. And we averaged 3.8 miles per, moving average was 3.8 miles per hour. So we were that freight train in a lot of cases. So it is satisfying when you blow away somebody that just is huffing and puffing and climbing a hill. So no offense. Yeah, I'm trying to not take any but it is wonderful to hand off to all the people that can do this, especially in a group, right? Because when you're moving together and you have all the things that can happen, you can have the condition of your shoes changed, your boots, your socks, everything else that come into play. And when you're moving as a group and somebody else has additional challenges, you're slowing as a group usually too. So to say that you moved quickly, quick clip, and you all got through, that's even more amazing. You should mention feet. One of the boys on the second to last day developed blisters. This is the first one I've ever seen in my entire life. We tried everything to try and get his feet to go, but he was a wrestler at Roseville High School and he was an animal. One time I was, you know, he jumped in front of the pack and just kept going and I finally caught up to Ethan and I said, Hey Ethan, man, you can slow down. And he says, Mr. Endres, I figure the sooner I get off my feet the better it's going to be. I said, alright, you lead the way. And there you go, I guess whatever works. He's right around the corner. You always got to be concerned about the one person who shows up in the group for a long hike and says, you like my new shoes? No kidding, no kidding at all. Fortunately we required all the boys to do the sheet town hikes. Not all of them did all of them, but they did most of them. So we eliminated that shoe issue and camping, you know, first time camping gear issue. So everything went pretty well. We were kind of happy with it. Like I said, our max speed was 4.1 miles per hour moving and our average was 3.8. And we started out at about, I think it was 4 or 5 thousand feet. We went to the top of Mount Baldy, the highest mountain in New Mexico, 12,400 feet. And we still did it with an average like that. So just kind of proud of the boys the way how fast we moved. Wow, amazing even at elevation. Did you feel it? Did you start to feel that you were working a little harder? If you don't move slowly and acclimate slowly, I think that type of stuff can be felt a little bit more prominently, right? One of the things I have to commend is the scout camp, the Philmont staff. I thought it was kind of strange and I didn't think of it until afterwards. But like the first day was only 2 miles and then the next day was only like 4 miles, you know. And then the next day was only like 5 miles. And I realized afterwards that what they were doing was making us go short distance at first and then we were doing long distances at the end. And so that acclimation period was happening while we were doing the short distances. So yeah, when we climbed Mount Baldy, it wasn't an issue. That's great. I can still want water. All the little tricks that get you there. It sounds like so much of my approach to do it today. Not at that speed, no. I was 52 at that time, I think it was, or 50, I can't remember. It might have been even less than that. It was 2012, that was 10, 13 years ago. So yeah, I was under 50. Dennis was our oldest, he was 54 and he was the slowest of the adults. So today, no, I could not do it. I was a fast hiker at one time but we're not that fast anymore. I hear you. It's old shit, the mast and the reins, the re-linings of all the stuff it took. I look up to some trails and I say, that's no problem, I've done that before and that doesn't really qualify you to do it now. Well the thing with you is that we're marveling when we were hiking the Dolomites because there's a lot of up and down with those and some of these young people were just kicking our ass. And I told her one time, I said, do you remember we used to be the one that was kicking the asses? Yeah, but we're 30 years older now. Yes, yes, I explained and we are in not decline but we've had our strong moments and we have the youngsters that are still working into their strongest moments. A simple hike up the Wahe'e Trail and I was trying to explain as we were coming down in the fog with my son's friends, telling them go slow, side step, you can get down. They were so excited about showing who was strongest and in that situation it was just entertaining because they just kept falling all over the place in the mud. They planned incorrectly and stuff and then they got up and were boasting to each other about who fell the least. And while they were saying how many times no one fell, how many times no one fell, I was proud to be quiet and just announce towards the end of the conversation that I didn't notice any mud on my butt. What did they say? They say, um, stuff like ancient wisdom shall outplay the agility or something, I can't remember what that phrase is but that's a perfect example. Yes, I'm sure as I get older the mud will end up getting there. I probably shouldn't have pressed the issue because kids these days, especially the ones that I have the pleasure of hanging out with, they'll remind me.