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Like I said, he didn't want to help. He said his other card is almost expired and he'll be on the air daily soon. So I figured that's the best we could do. Anyway, someone else I spoke to, I had a nice long talk with Bud yesterday also. We got a few things going on and planned and hopefully we can get things wrapped up for not just Joyce but all around in general. So we're working on a few things. It's a really good guy. I really had a nice conversation with him yesterday and I'm going to try to get in touch with people more often because things get busy around here with my mom and with her dementia and stuff and that's all we focus on and that we got to start doing other things. Anyway, by the way, and Jeannette put on a nice net yesterday for the remembrance of Joe and there was all sorts of people on there talking about different memories and so forth and I'll go through mine on Wednesday when I have the net.