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writing manuals, some of the manuals we've written and, and he's been in an ad. So probably in an old, at least in the old Japanese CQ magazine and maybe somewhere in an English language publication, he's in a Gai Siu radio ad. And it's just, it was just fun talking and sharing stories. I tried to leave, but I keep trying to leave because that's my nervous habit, but I'm really glad that I didn't because Rebecca and Paul and I were talking. And she gave me a, hold on, I'll drop. She gave me a device that you put on a guitar and I said, well, it turns it into a doe bro. It's a bronze bridge. Well, in fact, it turns it into sort of almost like a koto instrument, which is, if you know Japanese instruments, it's a...