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So yeah, by 95, I was like just playing the role and just wanted to be a big radio operator. And then eventually I was kind of motivated to where I just, I knew that doing the ham nets is just as good as being on real radio. It's not the same. You don't get the pay. And you don't get thrown away. Eventually there's no hostile takeovers, right? Because radio in itself I would later learn as a business. And I just, I'm glad that I chose the ham radio route. And I'm still happy about it. I know people say that I should get in the podcast and then all that stuff. No, it's just not too many hours of the day for me to do everything I want to do. Ham nets is about sown for me.