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November 93, going into the January, February and March, I was getting individual help from Randy. At his office, he had ham equipment because he had a ham station for the CNIB clients to use and guests and anyone who goes to the station. So there were always people manning the station, a good number of them, I don't even keep track of anymore. I think some of them have died. One was an operator at the station, VE3AW, John. He died years later. He was very much alive during my tenure, right? And Randy would use the station in his call sign. And if he's still operating, he still does, right? I'll always remember. I'll always remember. I'll always remember. They throw their call. I'll always remember.