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the LMBs on them and that's way dish network and direct to you that works to transmit their signal down to Earth is by right and left rotations so that I know a little bit about that dish. I'm into linear things, horizontal and vertical, so the LMBs I use on my dishes are that and so to pick up stuff off the commercial satellite and I get doing things like music services and PBS and different stuff off of that stuff and especially in the PBS season really useful so for me to watch it on EC time or also I get NBC feeders that goes to TV stations to get it during a different time frame so anyway so that's what I do so my main thing is to get the strange stuff out there but again that's a channel in your backyard is a circularly polarized station and the reason why they do that is so that when the sun passes up behind the satellite it doesn't cause a solar outage so K6P-L I think and also by the way the Navy uses that technology to transmit the ships that work for them. K6P-L.