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that they hold in the evening and then it kind of transpired over to this met and I would check in from a really noisy environment because I worked for in a warehouse for Pat and Osar and a little. I'd have to step off the door and check in. So I've known Joe for many years, probably not as well as what you guys have known Joe and never had the opportunity to meeting. But I definitely know who Joe Ruby was, Joe and Joyce. Anytime you heard the name Joe, you always heard it, Joe and Joyce. So yes, very, very sad to hear of his passing. Matter of fact, with Joe's voice, I could get that commitment.