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bud and he replied right away back that I think we should make an announcement and let everybody know because Joe was a big part of this worldwide friendship ship net family and like I said since I started on this net almost 20 years ago every morning here in the adventures of Joe and Joyce Flipper Joe, Jeep and Joe, Slick Rock Joe yeah what great great memories and I had the pleasure of meeting Joe and Joyce both for lunch also with K27 JE Joe and Joe I don't remember if Linda Luke came or not to that I don't remember Laurie was there as well so that was that was really nice and yeah it was a real shocker yeah real shocker and yeah but I guess it's it's part of life but it's it's hard to comprehend that he's gone but I wish him well and I you know like I said I'm recording this net so I will give it to Joyce afterwards and just a note for anybody