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one two o'clock in the afternoon, sometimes a little later, but that was his life. He enjoyed doing it. And I think Julie, who became a Silent Key, John's wife, even picked up a number of times when John was in the slump when he wasn't doing very well. So Kevin, back to you. And anyway, TJ. I'll tell you a couple of things I remember and I don't know names very well, so you will need Bill and a few others. Bill was there, but I remembered when it was like the breakfast net, right? And then I remembered kind of before it. There was like the before breakfast net, almost the way they do it on HF. And yes, the guy that I remembered, he was in the