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and Darrell knows him and Bill knows him. I want to get this story right. I think he ran a nut every morning, and everybody used to check into it from all over the world. And I believe that was pre-Kalabunga. I don't think Don called it Kalabunga, but after Don became a silent key, or maybe even just prior to that, it was one I believe that Bill and Darrell and everybody stepped up to the plate and took over the net. I could be wrong about that. But everybody, I mean, Don knew so many people from all over the place when I got licensed like six months before Don did. And Don told me that it gave him a drive.