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which is just looking at the netaholics and I've connected to one of their reflectors on D-Star but not heard anything so I don't know what's going on with that but I'll keep playing around and eventually I'll understand it but I can be a very slow learner depending on what I'm learning. Thanks so much for earning the netah and I wish you a great evening and I'll leave you in peace for now G7MVH. Well thanks again Mike, always a pleasure to catch up with you sir and day. Yeah well you know just keep on experimenting and if you're learning Pat Pato and to me as well although I don't use D-Star, never have tried D-Star MVH.