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summer jobs coming out of high school and into college was a camp meeting for religious organization. I think we would put up somewhere, I'm trying to remember what it was, I think one year was like 600 dance, other years would be 800 dance and they'd be these big old canvas ones with the, so 2x4 beam with the post and all of that was driven with manual performance, with manual post drivers and luckily the ground there was pretty rock free, but my gosh after driving you know you have to drive 2 stakes per tent because then the tents are side by side and you know you drive in 1600 stakes and 3 or 4 days, my gosh you would not go work out after that. Now you look at these devices that set the T post and my gosh.