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and they work very good like I'm not taking one with me so but I've had one often on all day of the day so you got two of one of them's always in the freezer so yeah I've been using them a lot and yeah I definitely helped with them to the coming you've never been known W7 JSM oh that's great I'm glad you've got the one already in the f3 or 2 if I want to you're wearing worms up a bit which eventually it will all right we'll take care John have a great afternoon have fun drumming on the old guitar and hey we'll talk to you soon 105 p.m. I'm Jack K. I7 R mute for the noon net here on the PSRG repeater in Seattle Washington if you'd like to join us come ahead call sign and name