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and they work very good like I'm not taking one with me so but I've had one often on all day of the day so you got two of one of them's always in the freezer so yeah I've been using them a lot and that definitely helps with them because it kind of keeps everything now W7 JSM oh that's great I'm glad you've got the one already in the f3 or 2 if you're wearing worms up a bit which eventually it will alright we'll take care John have a great afternoon have fun drumming on the old guitar and hey we'll talk to you soon 105 p.m. I'm Jack K. I7R mute for the noon net here on the PSRG repeater in Seattle Washington if you'd like to join us come ahead call signs and name