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I feel like playing with it, the most of the time, the cake cup machine and the reusable, we've gone to the metal once now, we used to have plastic cake cups, then I've gone to the stainless steel ones and spoon a cup of spoon, then coffee in there and throw a machine and make a fresh cup of coffee. It sure is better than the old-scale ones that's been sitting there boiling in the warmer for an hour, there's John back here. Thank you.