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That's how he used to do it. So you'd sketch it up, kind of give them an idea of what you wanted, put the dimensions on it, and they would do it, and then you'd go mark it up, and they would change it. So that was the process at the time. And as years went by, as I understand it now, like if you're an architect, you pretty much cat it yourself right from scratch. They don't do a whole lot of cat folks anymore. Well, I can remember as a kid, my dad was, like I said, he was an engineer, and he did a lot of different systems. He built design buildings and air conditioning systems and tanks, and it was, I remember all this different stuff that he did, and he trained my mother to be his draftsman. So she did a lot of the drafting work. Later I did some, I did a little bit of it for a while, but I was pretty young back in those days, had a lot of other things going on too. But yeah, there was no cat. I remember when he bought his first calculator, because he did everything with slides.