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receivers are phenomenal and so that's why I use them you know for H.F. you know right now but the other ones I just think I like apples and oranges type of difference in that but with everything else is the same I mean if it's a D star rig it's a D star rig and maybe it has a keyboard it doesn't have a keyboard if it's DMR or the same thing and of course wire is X a little different with the NT70 having a keypad and the 5 not so I don't know I mean why would keep buying the handles over again I guess we like them but they basically do the same thing so it's just on H.F. it's the big difference you know D and we're back with you. And now I kind of miss the keypad stuff this thing with the keypad on the phone kind of thing is I don't know I really do when I used to be