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got bought by one of the big names. They're not in business anymore. But I can't remember who bought them. But anyway, this one is a refractor. They may be on my think mainly for spotting when you're target shooting. But it's a nice one, Scott. I think it's got a lot rather large primary lens. And everything on it's really nice. It doesn't have a base mount on it though. So I ordered one. And that's what I'm going to be thinking of that. And it's over at a friend's house that got shipped to the wrong address. I didn't check when I was ordering it. And for some reason it picked up my old address. I always checked. Even though I had stuff sent to this one, for some reason it picked up an old address. It really dropped.