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and all that never did, but you know it was just their way of doing stuff I guess they used to heavier compound down by the waters and stuff down by the Columbia River and places like that. But yeah those were the days you don't see that anymore and I think it was deep. Does that sound right? Deep? That was the type of poison they were using. I don't know but anyhow I thought I'd bring that up. There's probably some more of us old people out there remember those days too. W7DNG. Hi Drake. Okay 6IT recheck. Alright stand by the air kept going for recheck or or growthy because we went through that kind of thing don't remember the details. Yeah so there you go. K6IT, Eric go ahead please. Yeah I think the insecticide you're talking about is slash was DDT. Okay 6IT.