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all the trouble of buying something that's easy to build because it's already measured and you just have to hang it and it works. I took the easy way out. Oh and does Laurie have trees to hang it from? Oh he does indeed. He has a large piece of land out about halfway between Auburn and Lincoln out there and he's built plenty of trees and it's actually a very...now that we've got the noise level down to about an S1 out there. It's actually a pretty good location for him radio. When I first started going out there he had a 20 over 9 noise level but over the last few months we managed to get that down to about an S1. Most of it was coming from a PG&E transformer that was on the pole and you could stand there with your naked eye and watch the color of the outside of the transformer change. As you stood there and looked at it, the power pattern changing on the outside of it. PG&E came out and took a one look at that. So we'll be out next time.