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I did a horse logging project when I was a kid, so I learned how to follow on. And my dad only had one wiggle maker there. It was a wiggle maker, it means the trees that exposed while you're cutting it. But he's the only one that he would allow to go up on top of the tree. You go bare and tie yourself off and cut above yourself. So they make sure that the fall rope goes in and next with your rope. Otherwise it will bring you down too. So anyway, just a little history on my part. I learned to follow when I was a teenager, an 87M R. back. Okay.