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exercise and frustration for sure is the technique of you put it in burst mode and then you rock back and forth ever so slightly because with the lens that I have it's a one-to-one for image size on the sensor so to give an idea like I was taking a picture of one of those little tiny flies that hangs out on flowers sometimes like teensy-tiny little thing. It's head was in focus and its antenna was not or its wings were not so I got about a one millimeter slice of infocus so yeah it could be a little exciting but y'all have to look into some of the tubes that sounds kind of interesting. Anyways back to case of an NIL. All right have fun experimenting yeah of course now this was when I was using the extension tubes back in the film day film yeah so remember that so yeah so