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for used to be in charge of the guild back in the day well he started his own radio company called talk to me u s a and they have p o c radio's better push the talk over cellular but you buy the radio and you get a full year of service uh... included and it doesn't just use one service provider they use these new io t sims that'll ping off any cell phone tower t mobile verizon uh... a t and t in the states that you got like uh... rogers and bell and tell us in kudos here in canada and mexican cell phone companies as well and these things they have a whole network backbone to one like they have a bunch of public channels that anyone can use that buys these radios or they have something else for hams only call hamling uh... built into them and that's i think ralph said it's thirty four ham channels and they're linked to other systems that have like dm r infusion and stuff on them and you can link them to or you can get those channels somehow i haven't got a lot of