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apps like ekolink and zello and v-ham and whatever else you want to put on them and then that allows you to talk to hams and you know you still want a data plan you know when you're out and about you need a data plan when you're at home it just works on your existing wifi. So there's caveats and when we talk about these radios that Jason is selling on Talk to Me those are a different thing altogether when you buy one of those you don't use a sim card in it from like T-Mobile or AT&T reset. Those radios already come with a sim card in them and they're activated right out of the box and essentially when you buy one you get your first year of unlimited cell phone access your cell phone service but you don't make phone calls with them it just accesses that network that Talk to Me network and then you can talk to hams or