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at them a sense of isolation. And research indicates that these environments are liminal in a temporary way. They occupy fleeting space between use and misuse or a state of transition from one period to another. So an example would be riding the subway or subway tunnel really, really late at night when nobody's there. You're all alone. And it's uneasy. You're the only one there. You expect there to be people what they're none. Going into a mall after dark. The mall is closed. Nobody's there. You expect it to be busy, but it's not busy. Or an office space that has no furniture in it. All the usual stuff that's in there is gone. And it's just an empty room with lights hanging, right? It's a little, it makes you uneasy. Let me drop it. So in the real world, liminal spaces are typically these spaces. They're either temporarily in transition because of the time or they're in transition because they're going to be renovated or torn down or something's going to happen with the.