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30 minutes is excessive. I actually I think when it starts going over five minutes it gets a little bit long but you're right on that account and you know it's a fine line and like I say I can I'm the best of ramblers out there I can just ramble and talk on for for no good reason at all and yeah china anything else for the net that you would like to say before we move on down the list over to you john. And just one additional item the individual I listened to not to not control but the other individual gave a weather report a national weather report and it took over 25 minutes to and to complete and I thought that was a bit excessive all I'm really saying is that let's just show others the same courtesy we would expect.